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May 17, 2022

Jerry's [Suit]Case Story

Jerry's [Suit]Case Story

Join X.T.C. as we unpack the [suit]case of Jet-setting Jerry! A Super Networker that has manifested exciting experiences from canceled music festivals in Alabama, filming people as they cross the US & Mexican border, to near-death encounters in St. John, US Virgin Islands, Jerry Garcia, Founder & CEO of Garcia Media Services and Penguin Death Squad dives deep into sharing stories on how networking has helped to grow his businesses and created some lifelong memories. This adventurous and advantage-seeking entrepreneur amps up his value to the services he provides by 1. Showing up and putting yourself out there; 2. being the first to shoot, edit and distribute imagery; 3. infusing compassion and generosity into everything he does; 4. loving what he does while learning “on the fly;” and 5. taking calculated risks with “Jab, Jab, Jab…Right Hook.” He has mastered how to keep his entrepreneur’s trip unexpected and exciting…Jerry be trippin’! Share your networking and entrepreneurial adventures in the comments! #TheEntrepreneursTrip #XTC #Podcast #Vodcasts

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:10.240 Welcome to the entrepreneurs trip podcast with x I'm Shlanda, I'm trusted and I'm 2 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:16.879 Chris. It's an entrepreneur starting or growing your business. You may have a 3 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:22.039 destination, but the journey getting there, and it's right we want to be 4 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:27.760 a travel companions and inject a dus of fixtc as we explore real life conversations 5 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:38.920 about navigating the world's entrepreneurship in the US and the Caribbean this trip with us. 6 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:45.520 Hello Trippers, welcome to another episode of the entrepreneurs trip with XTC. 7 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:52.000 If you are tripping with us today, you're about to peek on that trip 8 00:00:52.039 --> 00:01:00.439 and I'm about to blow your mind because our guest is Jerry Garcia. That's 9 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:06.159 right, and while this Jerry Garcia is not from the grateful dead, he 10 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:11.959 is a great entrepreneur, great networker. So kind of wrapping up our theme 11 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:19.560 here for Season One, series four, and I'm going to introduce Jerry here 12 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:25.719 because Jerry is my video partner. We've been working on a number of documentaries 13 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:30.400 together over the past couple years and just how of the grown our relationship and 14 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.959 our network to the point of I mean we've talked about trust and everything and 15 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.959 you know we can send each other off to each other's clients and stuff and 16 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:45.000 know that will be represented. But I always thought I was a good network 17 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.920 or even as a, you know, moderate person. But having hung out 18 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.480 with Jerry, he definitely takes the the lead in terms of just being able 19 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.159 to talk to anyone, open up to anything and obviously as an icebreaker. 20 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:07.560 Like his name here Jerry Garcia, but Jerry is the founder and the President 21 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:15.400 and CEO of Garcia Media Services, as well as his entity, Penguin desk 22 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:21.439 squad, if there is a much cuter reason, more of a name, 23 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.960 but Jerry has basically, I mean he is a videographer, an audio person, 24 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.680 he does live events in Orlando and everything, but he's constantly traveling the 25 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:37.159 country now doing music festivals and outside the country. He's been to the Virgin 26 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.800 Islands a few times now working festivals, and these kind of things happened just 27 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:50.960 because of his ability to make these connections as sometimes in seemingly desolate circumstances. 28 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:53.960 I one example that I know we're going to get into later with a music 29 00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:00.719 festival that happen last year in Tennessee, where Jerry kind of made it negative 30 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:05.560 situation to a positive but without further day. I'm gonna Stop Introducing Him and 31 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:12.560 let Jerry introduce himself here. Let's welcome Jerry Garcia, our esteem guests for 32 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:22.639 this episode. I love that. I just want to say thank you for 33 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:27.360 having me. First of all. I really appreciate it. He and Chris, 34 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:30.120 thank you for all the kind words. It's very humbly and I'm very 35 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:36.520 grateful to be having this conversation. And Yeah, I'm from Texas. I 36 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:40.000 live in Florida now, from Westloko, Texas, but I've been in Orlando, 37 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:46.319 Florida for about twelve or thirteen years. When I first started do we 38 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:50.759 I have an audio degree. If I have a bathrooms and audio engineering. 39 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.800 So that's what I do for my fulltime job. When I first started picking 40 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:59.039 up a camera about seven years ago, thorowing these like Indie Rock and punk 41 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:03.599 rock shows here in Orlando through like four or five. But during that process 42 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.840 I realize I was like you have to have social media stuff, and I 43 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:11.199 started. I got a camera, I went to a punch shop, got 44 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.599 a lens and, like you know, that's how I started. Took some 45 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:17.240 photos. I had a friend lend me a better lens and then I kind 46 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:24.000 of saw the possibilities of like what I could do with better equipment. I 47 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:29.920 didn't really focus anymore on throwing shows and stuff like that and kind of divert 48 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:34.399 of everything between my career of doing audio and stuff in corporate audio and concerts 49 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:40.920 and stuff like that. I kind of went into photography and live music photography. 50 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:45.680 The name Penguin des Squad. My name is Jerry Garcia, so I 51 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:48.639 didn't really want to play off anything with my name. I felt it was 52 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:55.759 like kind of gimmicky and I think everyone expected me to some sort of like 53 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:59.800 charry. Yeah, you know, and I didn't really want to do that. 54 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:04.160 I have a cat named Penguin, so that's that's a cute. Yeah, 55 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:09.920 I was joking. I remember I was. I was taking photos and 56 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.120 one of my friends was like, Oh, you know some grateful you should 57 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.879 make, some like ungrateful dad or something. I didn't really I thought it 58 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.720 was so dumb and I was like well, if my photos are good, 59 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:24.319 it doesn't really matter what I call it. So that was like my intention. 60 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.000 I was like, if my art is good, I don't have to 61 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.839 worry about what I'll call myself. Like I just want the pictures to be 62 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:35.600 good. I don't really not trying to focus on the on that I but 63 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:42.120 I honestly am very happy that I went with that name because it's I've created 64 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.920 more into a brand. I've done tshirts, do you sticker designs and stuff, 65 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.000 which it's harder to do that when it's based around like a personal name, 66 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:57.079 I feel. But yeah, I've been doing photos and music related stuff 67 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:02.600 for about five to seven years and then I started Garcia media services about about 68 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:04.959 two and a half years ago. I was saying first all right, yeah, 69 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:09.680 I think. Yeah, me, Chris and I had a proposal for 70 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:15.319 a documentary that was like going through first go. Yeah, we were going 71 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.759 through a nonprofit. It was right before covid so it looked pretty good like 72 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.439 it was gonna, you know, we're going to get it landed and everything. 73 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:24.720 Think covid hit. But then I realized like, you know, I 74 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:29.480 need to have another more you know, I remember having this conversation with you. 75 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.680 Actually, we were talking and you were like what do you want to 76 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.560 be to, you know, because we had to do a proposal for them 77 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:39.680 to pay us and everything, and I remember right before that I was like 78 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:44.040 do I need to start another name because I don't want to be in putting 79 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:50.639 people wooden des Squad. So like profit, it's could do. Maybe I 80 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.959 could do like PDS, but like I didn't want it, like I didn't 81 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.879 want to have you know that. You know. So I just thought it 82 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.879 was easier for me to create Garcian media services, have one more of a 83 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:04.399 corporate entity and one more of an artistic you know, Penguin, Descuad, 84 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:09.240 I could do whatever. On Garcia Media Services I have a little bit more 85 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:15.959 strength. Yeah, we're straint or like our focus on storytelling and like working 86 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:20.639 with nonprofits. I do. I feel like I was very fortunate growing up. 87 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:30.279 My Dad was awesome and stuff. So I am trying to build a 88 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.199 business and a business model where I give a lot, which in networking it 89 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.600 sounds like it's are in business. It's like the worst thing to do just 90 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.360 work for free or work. But honestly, I've landed most of my gigs 91 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:46.480 and you know, creating a network is you have to create the network and 92 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.800 and I get hit up, like photographers always hit me up because I'm doing 93 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:55.319 music vestivals in these bigger gigs now they're like, well, how did you 94 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:57.959 do it? You know, and I just want and took it on a 95 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:03.040 photos I would go to events. I wouldn't try to undercut the other photographers, 96 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.600 but I would shoot it. I would shoot a concert and then start 97 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.959 editing that night and have the photos by like next morning or that night, 98 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:16.120 just so I could beat anyone to the punch and doing that and just having 99 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:22.560 like a I enjoy this like I really enjoy, you know, working for 100 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.920 myself. I enjoy the adrenaline or the rush of it, like of I 101 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:33.279 don't know, the uncertainty of like where this could go. It is exciting, 102 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.759 it is stressful. It's not like it's not as pretty and glamorous. 103 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:41.559 I think people think that entrepreneurs it's like this really fun thing. It's mostly 104 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:48.600 stressed every day, like the past like three years, which I'm addicted to 105 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.799 that. Now I've realized it's like I can't turn that off. But I 106 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.679 think I'm already a high energy person. So having an outlet where I'm with 107 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:01.320 Pingman Desk, water, Garcia media services, it's really benefited me because it's 108 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:07.360 like a positive outlet of, you know, where my energy is now going 109 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:11.279 and stuff like that. So yeah, that's why I started both of them. 110 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:16.559 I I just think I'm very I just want to build with Garcia Media 111 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:20.600 Services and Chris can like a test of this. We've done. We've shot 112 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.039 a lot of stuff for like nonprofits with it. You know, we just 113 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.080 go and shoot, you know, and and how many times is I mean 114 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.960 not every time we don't get like gigs out of it, but I would 115 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.320 say like six out of ten times will get something, you know, just 116 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.320 from showing people pictures and and be like Hey, I took this picture of 117 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.440 you, like send me your your email. Will send it to you. 118 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.039 And then they're always people are always blown away because I'll just give them my 119 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.360 photos, you know what I mean. They're like, well, how much? 120 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.720 It's like, Dude, just give me an email, I'll sennity you. 121 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:58.200 You know. So I think in business it might not make sense to 122 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:05.279 a lot of people to give your assets away, but in my way of 123 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.360 like working, I know that that's gotten me. It's worked for me. 124 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.000 I don't know, I don't think it could work for a lot of industries. 125 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.679 But as far as like gaining like gaining like trust of people and knowing 126 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.480 that you have like the best interest, I think I try to. I 127 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.720 try to have the People's best interests and I also kind of want to give 128 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:31.159 back. So those are like my two things I kind of try to balance 129 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.559 and stuff. That's if I could jump in for a second, because what 130 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:43.120 came to mind as you were talking is this thought process of exchange or transactional 131 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:50.039 type of relationship, where I do something for pay or I do something for 132 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.240 exchange, with the expectation of getting something back. And what I find really 133 00:10:54.279 --> 00:11:00.679 interesting with how you've approached networking and building your business, it's more of how 134 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:05.600 can I add value? Yeah, right, how can I contribute? And 135 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.720 so, yeah, from a business standpoint, if you look at it strictly 136 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:15.519 from a financial standpoint, it may not make sense, but when you look 137 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:22.200 at it from the perspective of a business development standpoint, right, people are 138 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.879 getting to know you, they're getting to know your product, they're getting to 139 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.559 know how you work, they're not getting to know your quality and while they 140 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.279 may not be a return immediately, you never know when that return may or 141 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.679 may not come, and it may not come back in the way that you're 142 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.399 expecting it. It may come back in in the form of they were so 143 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.240 impressed with their experience with you that they spoke to you about about you to 144 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.960 somebody else and that has translated to a job. So it's really thing from 145 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:52.679 that authentic place of adding value, which I really really like. Yeah, 146 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:56.960 and Actually Landi you know, just from my personal experience with Jerry here, 147 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.720 you know, and when he did start his business this and he was asking 148 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.559 me questions, you know, from a business standpoint, and then I saw 149 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:05.600 him going out and just giving things away for free. And know it's like, 150 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:11.360 Jerry, know, this isn't how it works. But but, but 151 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:15.639 seeing him now the last two and a half years, I've learned a lot 152 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:20.919 from him because I've seen that is his approach or method of doing that actually 153 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.960 has worked in and many times, you know, in spades, you know, 154 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:31.320 ten times over where he's like even now, I he's was talking about, 155 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.399 you know, giving photos away for free basically, and one of the 156 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:39.080 things I really admire that he mentioned is his timing of doing it. He's 157 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:41.720 and it's it right away. So that way it's, you know, that 158 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:46.039 night or the next morning that's out, where a lot of times other videographers 159 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.399 or photographers who are might have been out at the same event or even on 160 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.200 the payroll for that event. Are, you know, Standard Time of like 161 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.080 Oh, you know, five to seven days, will have your photos of 162 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:00.559 videos, and Jerry's are already up, so his are getting shared while though, 163 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:03.559 Hey Parsons is, you know, taking their time doing it. So 164 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.679 it just worked really well. And I mentioned, I think in one of 165 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.559 our last episodes here, of how I was during covid. I kind of 166 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:20.200 use covid as an excuse to back off of social media and not really, 167 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.799 you know, expand my network during that time of everybody being isolated. But 168 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:30.679 Jerry use that time to get more involved in social media. He's paid especially 169 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.480 the Penguin des Squad one with, you know, new festivals coming up and 170 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:39.159 everything has really been starting to flourish. And even some of the photos that 171 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:43.759 he's given people for free, they've now recently been coming back to ask him 172 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:48.440 for prints in like canvases and stuff. So now he's making money on the 173 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.200 back end of it. But it's really been in kind of an eye opening 174 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.120 thing for me. We're, you know, as a business owner, just 175 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:01.120 giving stuff away without any expectation of return. How that's actually worked in his 176 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.000 favor. So yeah, I just wanted to kind of bring that up from 177 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:11.240 my personal experience with him that it does work and and he gives just like 178 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.759 if he has the money, he'll go out and get, you know, 179 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.759 buy a bunch of McDonald's or whatever and go give it to, you know, 180 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:20.919 homeless people and stuff and just like hey, if I have the extra 181 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.440 couple bucks, somebody else needed it more than me today. I think just 182 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.600 that energy of like, you know, given you world retieve on the back. 183 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.399 It has like the love of attraction, right, if you give your 184 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.799 recie that, it's like that continuous flow of adding value and being and and 185 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:45.919 being generous. And it's interesting because we've heard about Jerry, like Christen and 186 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:50.440 I have heard about feel like I know Jerry, but for the listening audience 187 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.559 is the First Time We've interacted with Jerry, and that's what I got immediately 188 00:14:54.679 --> 00:15:01.519 when we tuned in, was just this authenticity and it's Generos and adding value, 189 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:07.080 which I think is important as an entrepreneur because people resonate with that, 190 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.240 you know. But SLANA, it goes a little more though, because it 191 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.279 has to be organic. It has to be organic because a lot of people 192 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.919 do things just to say that they're doing it. I know, looking for 193 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.360 the extra credit on the back end and when they do it, you eventually 194 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.360 see that is fake and that's so it kind of falls off. And Chris, 195 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.799 it might segment we talking. I was your segment. We talk about 196 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:35.240 making everything hole is stick your network homes and networking is about creating and sharing 197 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.519 new ideas. or I like from what I heard from you and Jerry, 198 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:43.159 is how that bridge and work. So you step back from social media, 199 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:48.320 you help Jerry wanted to with his business initially, and look at how the 200 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.639 approach was different. Yep, you should, I'm saying, and look at 201 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:56.000 how we just start to learn so much from each other in such a short 202 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:58.600 span of time. I want to know happening. It's just our perspective. 203 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:00.799 Is How it is that we look at it. You have so, I'm 204 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.600 saying. So where would like, man and I hear it all the time. 205 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:08.679 Giving away something free flood and market is not really good for what it 206 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:14.240 is that we're doing. However, different strokes for different folks. That's how 207 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:18.440 it works, Yep. And so within the network, even though we have 208 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:22.960 jerry that's doing that with that approach and Chris has his approach, we still 209 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.799 make it one collective. So a lot of times people choose not to network 210 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:32.399 with people that want to say do the same things, because I was like, 211 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:34.480 all, you're going to cut into my market, all it will cut 212 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:40.879 in this all. But networking is just all sharing ideas, working together to 213 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.600 build a bigger community one at one. You don't want them, we want 214 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:52.519 that one, that one can think if I could just jump in real quick. 215 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.919 I to the point of not wanting to network with people who might be 216 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.559 in the same industry. Is a scarcity mindset. Yeah, if you come 217 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:07.240 from the mindset that there is more than enough resources to sustain all of us, 218 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.000 then you don't have a problem networking within the same industry, because then 219 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.799 you see opportunities to collaborate and when you collaborate with other like minded people, 220 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:21.400 you raise the heights for everybody. You benefit, I benefit, we benefit, 221 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:25.720 other benefit, others benefit. So it's really shifting that perspective and it's 222 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:30.440 hard because when your entrepreneur, particularly why your Solo Entrepreneur, you're burning the 223 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:37.759 midnight oil by yourself right it can feel very isolating. It can feel like 224 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:41.480 you don't have enough of what you need to provide everything that you're trying to 225 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.079 do or to accomplish everything you're trying to do. But that's where the value 226 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.799 of networking comes in, is that you are able to build capacity, you're 227 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:53.279 able to Bant, you're able to and so people shouldn't be afraid to network 228 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:57.640 in the same with others in the same industry. It's about aligning those values. 229 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.480 Yep, I think right, Uh Huh, and I'm think about to 230 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:07.160 be an organic also, you know, two things like I think I really 231 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:15.519 feel this with other photographers, photographers and artists like that are very hesitant to 232 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:19.759 to network. Or I think I go the other way. You know, 233 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.400 for instance, I was working a music festival probably like a month ago in 234 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:29.759 Arkansas, and at first I was only doing their media, social media and 235 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:34.319 stuff like that. Some things happened right before the festival. They lost their 236 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:41.000 stage managers for their two stages. So I have a vent production, you 237 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:44.480 know, background. That's what I do. More big kind of like corporate 238 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.319 events. So on smaller, you know, music events. It's not that 239 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.400 hard, like, especially if I have the time. They gave me a 240 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.240 golf card, so I cant like move and everything. So I was like 241 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.960 mobile. I can still do the photos and still be organized to like find 242 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:04.319 the next artist and stage management is basically being prepared for the next few like 243 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:07.240 who's the artist playing right now? WHO's the next artist? WHO's the next 244 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:11.319 artist after that? So I was able to, you know, juggle those 245 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.759 things while doing that. So, you know, I take photos for thirty 246 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.759 minutes, I go to the other stage, take photos for fifteen minutes, 247 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:22.720 you know, make sure that the next artist is there. And but in 248 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.519 doing so, you know there's other photographers and they're so there was like one 249 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:30.319 photographer. She was this younger. She was with one of the band and 250 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:34.400 I could tell that she was kind of, you know, I could probably 251 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:40.200 see that was one of her first time shooting an event like that. There's 252 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.480 kind of like a little bit more timid, you know. When I asked 253 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:45.839 her, okayy, like, you know, you can go onto the stage, 254 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.799 I actually lent her my camera because I just got a better care set 255 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:52.559 up and I was like here, put your memory card in this and choot 256 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.559 with this, and I was like do you want to? I let her 257 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.240 take a picture because she said something about like my camera and I was like 258 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:02.640 Oh, here, take a picture and she was like, Oh my God, 259 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:04.240 and she was like this is, you know, and I told her 260 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.599 I was like here, take my memory card out. She was working with 261 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.519 that band, you know. So I was like here taking you no go, 262 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:15.240 I've already shot this band. I've got twenty photos of them. Here, 263 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:19.400 here's my camera. Don't break it, please, you know. And 264 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:25.039 and I'm still there, like I'm still having in. My camera was right 265 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:26.519 next to me. So I was like here, you know, use this 266 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.039 setup, take the best photos you can. You can go on stage. 267 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.559 And I told her, you know, just don't go there and don't go 268 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.400 there, but and I just I was like and go, do it, 269 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:38.039 like no one's going to get you're not going to get in trouble. I'm 270 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:44.400 the one in charge. Like I think photographers are very hesitant and and musicians, 271 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:47.720 and it's this weird thing and it's a lot of like the EGO, 272 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:51.480 which I'm not saying that I don't have an ego, but I try to 273 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:56.480 like work on that, like I try, especially, you know, Chris 274 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.759 mentioning the like giving stuff away to homeless people. I do that all the 275 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:06.000 time. I've would never post about it, I would never really talk about 276 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:10.880 it. Yeah, I do that as much as I can. And as 277 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:14.480 a person that's struggling, I feel like it's just, you know, I 278 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.720 try to. I probably my dad's probably going to hate this, but I 279 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.160 do have a I don't have the normal, you know, wants in life 280 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.119 with like I don't like I would like to be comfortable and, you know, 281 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:30.559 have money, but I that's not my end goal. I just want 282 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:34.200 to be able to like travel, you know, tell some storious help some 283 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:40.279 people, and it's weird because I I've been told, you know, you 284 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:45.039 don't really understand what people are going through on a daily, you know, 285 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.039 on a Davy battle with themselves. So I try to be or try to 286 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:53.960 have the mindset of like I don't think that people realize the good and bad 287 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.680 that we could have on a person's life, whether it's, you know, 288 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:03.359 an abuse thing, or it's whether it's someone helping someone in such a small 289 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.759 I don't think that we really grasp like everyone stuck in their own head and 290 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:12.200 we see it through our own eyes. But when you interact with people, 291 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:18.480 you can make a change in someone's life without really putting that much effort into 292 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:22.240 it or, you know, you kind of go out of your way a 293 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.240 little bit. But it's a miniscule way for me to be like Hey, 294 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.160 here, use my camera. You know what I meant. Of course like 295 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.599 that. But yeah, I honestly, with photographers and stuff like that, 296 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:40.400 I think competition is good. I think as far as competition like, I 297 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:42.279 kind of welcome it. I you know, it keeps me on my toes. 298 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:47.039 I try not to be envious or jealous and stuff like that, because 299 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:52.759 I do feel that there is enough room for creative people to all have like 300 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:56.960 different avenues. And Yeah, honestly, it's just going to push me to 301 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:02.039 think of another creative way to attack this or you know. So, yeah, 302 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:06.759 I I'm not really hit too worried about I try to help and empower 303 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:14.680 people because I was forged like it with my audio job. You with audio 304 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:19.960 and lighting people and video people. They're caring. They don't have interpersonal skills. 305 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:27.400 They don't have the skills where it's a lot of like clicks. I 306 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:32.279 realize I got out of school and I joined like some companies, was freelances 307 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:38.240 in to didn't know a starting or if you mispronounced and you kind of got 308 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:41.519 US stare. You know what I mean? Just that kind of Ye, 309 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:47.720 those interaction. It makes you question yourself because you feel dumb and you're like 310 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:51.960 it's like these insecure things, because you're going into for me, like I 311 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:53.200 go to show. So, like I go to a show and in the 312 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.079 next like the next day, I could we get another event, doing another 313 00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:02.599 show with twenty new people. So, but that being said, it also 314 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.319 put me. I only learn under pressure. I've realized, right, I'll 315 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:14.440 learn by putting myself in the fire. And but yeah, I had this 316 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:18.880 one co worker years ago, about seven or eight years ago, is this 317 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.359 guy's name is Dan, who works at four seasons. He's amazing, is 318 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:29.039 like the nicest guy, and I remember he taught me how to like wrap 319 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:33.279 everything, from rapping cables to setting up some projectors, and I really appreciate 320 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:38.400 that because he was the only one that ever did that in this land. 321 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:44.680 As our question for you outside, and that's my question for you, Jerry. 322 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.200 You saw, I want to go way back in here, amazing story, 323 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:52.519 and the way back is when you gave the young lady the camera. 324 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:57.240 Okay, why? Who did that? For? That's part of the organics 325 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:02.720 that I feel like we we talked about what's good for her. I'm pretty 326 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.319 sure she should never forget. I've want to say, like I've done similar 327 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.680 things where, like people just look at me like you just learned someone to 328 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:14.599 hold back book Pro Yeah, why? I like how? Aren't you afraid 329 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:17.640 that they won't come back or not won't come back? Yeah, that's a 330 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.839 question. Aren't you paid that? Those Steven you? So I'm saying, 331 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.880 and I'm like why? I got a funny thing want to tell people. 332 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:27.880 If people still form me, I feel like you're student for yourself, and 333 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.319 a certain reason is because of its minds. I feel like it's yours. 334 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.480 I have no problem sharing, whether it's knowledge, equipment or whatever it is. 335 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:44.039 What at that point in time, we're so timid. We're not accustomed 336 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:48.319 to the average person just reaching out, like I started laugh with that story 337 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.200 because I remember doing that for people. I remember, like there's a couple 338 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.400 of till you, like you started my video career. I was like and 339 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.680 I was shooting before I met you. was like Nah, I was on 340 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.200 stage, I was struggling with the shot and you showed me how to stand. 341 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:07.079 You came tell the camera, helped me in the camera for five minutes 342 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.880 and then you left and I didn't even know who you were. I've have 343 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.119 people to talk about all you help me set up the frame and when I 344 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.640 started shooting. I then understand, frame me where the capture and you show 345 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.119 me that. I just want to get the lights on, to angle, 346 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:26.119 and it made so much more of a difference. And again, not a 347 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.200 we're talking about it, I'm seeing how it is. Expanded my network and 348 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.599 I expected my network without even thinking about it, because I was like, 349 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.799 Oh, wait, this person, I need a little help. All, 350 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.039 wait, this person, all you like my camera, check it out. 351 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.039 So if it is what you really want and that's it, you're at a 352 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:47.440 concert. I mean, I understand that. You said that you were there, 353 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:52.000 but at the same time, in her man's like like just give camera, 354 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.039 like not like you don't care, but it's just it's just that extra 355 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:59.920 extension and I don't want to who did that for you, because I feel 356 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:04.400 a personal feel, like we do it because someone did it for us and 357 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:08.039 we understand and appreciate, just like I'd lead it into then we're done. 358 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:14.480 Showed ow to wrap the cables. That one aspect. But was a person 359 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.119 that that gave you that push, that that, when you doubt it yourself, 360 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.839 for you were doubting, you know, was like, okay, this 361 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:26.480 might be cool. In photography. That's rough, because photography is pretty cut 362 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.480 throat. I really don't. I'm trying to remember of like besides Chris. 363 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:37.039 Chris is put me on on a lot of you know, from corporate to 364 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:42.960 you know, he's got an audio gigs. That's all going. It's allowed 365 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:48.920 of Uncle Chris. That's really been another person really that has gone out of 366 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:55.680 their way, especially a stranger. It's honestly, it doesn't happen often. 367 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.480 It's a it's a weird thing, you know, but I try to put 368 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:02.279 myself in other people's shoes all the time. I feel like I do have 369 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:07.799 empathy and the negative thing is I probably feel too much and overthink things. 370 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.759 I feel like I can you know, if I'm talking to someone, I 371 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:18.599 feel like I like I feel they're like dread. It's a good thing at 372 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:23.519 times, but also it's very stressful at times. Having that, you know, 373 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.759 I don't know what it is. It's something like unexplainable and I think 374 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.880 that's what helps me with with being able to relate, because I think I 375 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:37.839 could relate or be able to talk to anyone and I don't think I get 376 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.240 like flushed or I don't think, you know, and less like the person's 377 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:42.440 like standoffice and they don't want to talk. I get it. I can 378 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:47.319 kind of like read that after a few okay, if you don't, I 379 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:52.759 understand, like let me not everyone wants to like talk her. So you 380 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.839 kind of have to fund that balance. But yeah, I think that I've 381 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:04.640 realized that calculated risks are necessity for me. I think that with growing a 382 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:10.759 business you have to take calculated risks and the more risks I've taken, and 383 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:15.519 I'm not taking like risks that are endangering my life, although some of them 384 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:23.640 have, we ourselves a suprecarious documentary. Yeah, situation. Yeah, I 385 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.640 didn't think I was a thrill junkie and then I started filming stuff and I 386 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.559 was like I want to like I want to film and tell some stories and 387 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:36.759 like kind of dangerous places. I just I think those are unique viewpoints that 388 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:41.440 we could like focus on. But I think calculated risks are super necessary. 389 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.279 And it's a risk that, you know, I could give her my camera 390 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:51.920 and she drop it or something like that, but the outcome is that I 391 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.279 could help her or get her at the least she could get a better but 392 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.440 a few photos of that and that she was hired by so, but that's 393 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:02.759 like the smallest thing. The biggest thing is, you know, I could 394 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.119 help her with a career, which is, you know, I'm open to 395 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:07.640 either I don't. I try not to. I think we in the beginning 396 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:15.640 we were talking about expectations and I try not to have expectations of anyone. 397 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:22.400 Story about that. I will expectations, I really think, to give and 398 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.720 for it to be organically. You can't really expect anything in return. So, 399 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:32.799 whether it's me giving money, I've done it a few times and I 400 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:36.319 try to trust the universe where I have, like you know, and I'm 401 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.200 not that spiritual of a person, I just don't know. I'M A, 402 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.000 you know, agnostic. I don't know what's out there, you know. 403 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.839 So just trusting the universe enough to, you know, get if I have 404 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:48.920 enough gas, I have groceries and I only have like thirty bucks and I'm 405 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.960 going to get paid in three, three days, I will give those thirty 406 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.839 dollars away because I feel that I it'll come back somehow, like I don't 407 00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.519 know what that makes sense, but I did that in the hopes that it 408 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.799 does return to me and I think that if I do see a person, 409 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.839 you know, that needs it more than I do, and unfortunate enough to 410 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.960 have a full tank of gas, some groceries at home and the next few 411 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:15.680 days of work, like I don't few money as like the end all be 412 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:22.559 all with my happiness and with expectations. I think people tend to especially in 413 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.359 business stuff, people always expect something. Well, I want to go shoot 414 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.599 that photo of it. I did that for free. But, like you 415 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.880 know now this like I try not to do that. I try to be 416 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.920 like you know, whether it's a free event or it's or a paind of 417 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:44.160 it, I always try to overdeliver. I always try to always try to 418 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.680 overdeliver, if it's, you know, social meat, if it's just you're 419 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.359 hiring me from some photo stuff, like okay, well, I've been tagging 420 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:52.440 you on stuff. I did a little bit of video stuff. I can 421 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.799 give you a little video clip or you know, I just try to go 422 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.799 above and be on and stuff, and I tried not to have expectations with 423 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.960 people. I'm a human so that's something I have to like work on. 424 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.960 But even like with personal relationships or you know, family stuff, I try 425 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:15.200 not to have expectations of people, because the good thing about that is when 426 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.240 someone you know does something for you, or someone's like really good to you. 427 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:24.720 It's like it's minor. Bless your right. You also don't have the 428 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:30.119 negative of like being let down. That's all I ask. Yeah, I 429 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:35.359 said that's what it is always going to ask, because I do I feel 430 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.079 expectations lead to disappointment. That's how I feel about it. So a lot 431 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.920 of so a lot of things that I do, I just try to stow 432 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.720 it out there. When it comes, how it comes, it kind of 433 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:49.240 comes back. and Uncle Chris, I think you did find a chill junkie, 434 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.960 because list our caulated and that could relate so much with that. You 435 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.000 know that thirty dollars that you give, because we know in three days were 436 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.200 supposed to be in a at a place. At the same time, when 437 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:06.279 I give that thirty, when I give that something more, I feel like 438 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.799 I'm working harder to someone gain it back, because now it's like you're back 439 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:14.279 as against a wall, like I got thirty, no more, like so 440 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.720 I can pay for the next three days. What could I do? Not 441 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.519 necessarily just to get paid, but this helps me. I want to say, 442 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.480 prepare for whatever it is that's coming up, because now you stay hungry, 443 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:28.000 like it's not like I'm comfortable, like you was talking about, not 444 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.359 even being just comfortable monetary. We want trips, you want these different things. 445 00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:35.440 We have these different goals that we have in place. Like I got 446 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.279 a grease trip that I would like to do and I've been looking at I 447 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.920 was like, Oh, I got these bills. I'm like. You're like, 448 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:43.799 Oh, yeah, but you're saving for the trip. I'm like, 449 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.799 Nah, deal with that now on. How you going to deal with that? 450 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.759 And you got this trip, like what you're doing? Does that make 451 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.200 sense? But I'm showing them. Like we spoke about the universe. I'm 452 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.599 Catholic. I got a lot of faith. I think in order to be 453 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.960 Catholic you need a lot of faith, because you don't explain a lot of 454 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.200 things you know. So I'm like, I'm going to make the tripping. 455 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.480 It like yeah, but nothing about what you're doing says you're going to make 456 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:12.000 the trip. You just volunteer for this, you just did this. You 457 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.079 need to be getting this INCOM and you need to get toward whatever it is. 458 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:20.239 And I feel like it's good to have goals and be goals oriented, 459 00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.000 but sometimes, the outside looking in, they just keep, I feel, 460 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:29.360 digging down in the wrong areas, and that's that. If you take all 461 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.119 take of others, they'll take care of you. And that's just it. 462 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:37.239 But it has to be an organic thing because when it's not it organic, 463 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:42.280 it comes to the expectation and when you don't hit that expectation you start digging 464 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:47.159 a whole life there. Uncle Chris didn't deliver with JERRYMAN. I just thought 465 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.519 Jerry was going to be somebody else, not an audio guy, not a 466 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.840 real I'm going back. I'm going to push back on you guys a little 467 00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.000 bit. I think we're going to end up in this same place, but 468 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:01.880 I'm going to push back a little bit. Being the planner of the group 469 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:09.920 right what it comes to explications, really clearly defining the route. So it's 470 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:14.880 like taking a trip right. We want to know where we're heading, but 471 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:22.280 having that openness and that nimbleness to allow things to happen organically while you're also 472 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:28.920 working towards something right. And so what resonated with me, with what Jerry 473 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:36.320 was saying, was being empathetic right, being open, being organic. I 474 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.480 think those things, when we talk about in business, seems like such a 475 00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:46.639 foreign concept versus, you know, the Capitalistic Society that we live and where 476 00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:50.239 we're saying, okay, you need to have a return on this investment. 477 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.800 That's the business right, that's the expectation side. But if you're in business 478 00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:58.559 is to make a profit, why are you giving things away? I think 479 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.920 it's more of a blow and both right. There's it's a delicate dance of 480 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:08.079 both. That happens depending on the situation, to putting on the people that 481 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:12.559 you're dealing with, depending on where you're at that point in your life. 482 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.119 Right, because sometimes you can't be able to give more and other times you 483 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:21.440 just not in the space or the capacity to be able to give more. 484 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.320 Think it it's an Evan flow. It's like a delicate dance. Yep, 485 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:30.840 but as we talked about dancing, Jerry, I wanted to ask you because 486 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:32.239 you said, Oh, I want to be able to do one of the 487 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.679 things you want to be able to do is to travel. Travel and a 488 00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:44.360 little Bertie told us that you've been to the Virgin Islands doing music festivals. 489 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.280 Yeah, where I love to dance when I go to music festivals. I 490 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.079 think the last music festival I was with was that temple. That's how long 491 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:58.159 ago? Only ten music but how did a guy from Texas who's living in 492 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.000 Orlando end up in the Virgin Islands? I mean, how did that happen? 493 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:08.880 Network support that effort. So so we're doing photos. You know. 494 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:13.880 I did, you know, some hippie music festivals out here in Florida. 495 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:21.840 I had friend Mo which he's doing pretty exciting stuff with some AAR and VR 496 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.519 stuff for like the Meta universe and stuff like that. Is kind of for 497 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:32.239 front, you know, of art. So him I've been friends and shot 498 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:37.639 some stuff for bands. You know, he hit me up about the music 499 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.119 festival we did. It was during like covid time, so it was like 500 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:45.079 not a big music festival, but it was instant Croix. They offered, 501 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:50.519 you know, to bring me out just to do like music coverage and everything 502 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.159 like that. But yeah, it was really just honestly, I mean it's 503 00:37:54.159 --> 00:38:01.440 a blessing to be able to get traveled and get paid. Hey, isn't 504 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:06.119 where I would want it to be, but from those trips I've been able 505 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:12.079 to lend other YEP, you no clients, which again goes back to like 506 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.119 the calculated wrists as like who do I really want to take a week off 507 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.679 of work to only get paid six hundred bucks and yeah, but then I'm 508 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:22.840 like wait, but it's six hundred bucks, you know, on and I'm 509 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.920 camping and I think troy. You know, it's a I try to. 510 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:34.159 I value experiences a lot. I and I ever since I was a kid. 511 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.400 I or not a kid, I would say maybe the past ten years, 512 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.440 although I still feel like a kid a lot. I think production. 513 00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:45.639 I know where. Yeah, I really think that. Yeah, just like 514 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:51.119 being able to we're not going to be. There's so many beautiful places in 515 00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.079 the world and humanly possible, we're not going to be able to see all 516 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:59.400 those. That's kind of depressing to me. So I want to say as 517 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.199 much as I can of the world because, you we really don't realize. 518 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:07.320 We get stuck in our bubbles, like we get really stuck in our jobs 519 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.960 and we don't realize, like the Pete like going to Saint Croix and then 520 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.280 meeting random people and then, you know, connecting with people and stuff like 521 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:20.559 that. And then, yeah, from that festival, I shot some stuff. 522 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.480 They invited me for another festival. That wasn't saying Croy. The first 523 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.800 one a few months ago. I was in St John's, oh St Thomas, 524 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.280 for a little bit and then the festival itself was on St John's and 525 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:37.840 then that one. I've landed about two other gigs. I think that look 526 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:42.159 pretty one. I'm going to be probably going back there and May, the 527 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.760 end of May, and I'll be actually or no, and may it made 528 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:53.239 that things, Jerry come I think. I think the band is taking me 529 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:58.440 or asking me to go to Alabama, being Alabama in May, and then 530 00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:07.639 that same vand wants to do like a little short story documentary thing in July 531 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:12.280 for Carnival, I believe, in St John's. That's say. So. 532 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:19.000 Yeah, it's just you. I take these risks and hopefully something you know, 533 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.480 but some st ripple. The fact that that one decision had like making 534 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.400 that calculated risk to okay, I'm gonna take a week off from work. 535 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.920 Yeah, I'm getting paid six hundred, but I'm going to a new space, 536 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:36.639 meeting New People, that I am expanding my network has created ripple effect 537 00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.159 from you coming to Saint Croix, going to Saint Thomas, going to sing 538 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.599 John doing some other stuff. Yep, now you're looking at coming back. 539 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.400 Listen, Jerry, don't let me hear you are in a virgin island. 540 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:52.079 Say you don't come to see Queens to happen, you know. Okay, 541 00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:07.360 turning cruising. Honestly, like just past the Saint John's trip. I I 542 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.719 like to experience. I don't want to do tour I like to or see 543 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.599 things. I don't get me wrong, I can want to go to a 544 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:17.039 nice restaurant that I was talking about, like I think that there's beauty and 545 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:21.559 that, but the other side is like I want to think that stuff for 546 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:24.760 yeah, I want to documentary side. That's what you want, that kind 547 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.639 of yeah, to a home looks like yeah, I did that. I 548 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.119 did that in the St John's and it was kind of honestly, I was 549 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:43.320 scared for my life. Could risk the first day I got to Saint John's, 550 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.519 the music ussel was on this hilltop on a on a bar called the 551 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:53.239 windmill bar, beautiful property run by Christie and Andy, her husband. It's 552 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:59.280 so beautiful. It's like on a hilltop. The sunsets. It's so beautiful. 553 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.159 I was fly my drone, you know, I wasn't working for the 554 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.639 next two days, but she was like Hey, can get your dinner and 555 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.519 can get you like a drink. I was like yeah, it's like let's 556 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:08.920 do that. Let me take some photos at sunset right now. So I 557 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.079 let me get some photos and then I'll have dinner, you know think, 558 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.079 because she was busy. You know, while doing that, I met I 559 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:20.519 met a fellow because he saw me flying the drone and stuff. He was 560 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:22.599 like, Hey, I have a drone. Can you help me? I 561 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:23.920 was like, of course, this guy is probably, I think, the 562 00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:28.480 sixty three. I was like yeah, man, of course. You know, 563 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.360 brought my drone grown I helped them and it was a cheaper drone. 564 00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.039 So it was really there was no camera and it was like kind of hard 565 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.280 to fly, but I figured it out. I googled it, you know, 566 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:44.320 and just talking to them. Long Story Short, that guy it was 567 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.679 a bit on the island since like the s is parents were there, as 568 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:52.360 grandparents were there. So that long story short, he's like I'm just yeah, 569 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.519 man, I want to take photos while blood he's he's like I still 570 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.159 won't forget it. He looks and we're looking at the most beautiful thing I've 571 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.159 ever look I'm on a hilltop with the sunset going down in the water. 572 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.840 It's beautiful light blue water, and he was like this is ugly. He 573 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.039 was like you got to go to the other side of the island. I'm 574 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:15.760 like this is the most I've ever and he was like you got to go 575 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.440 to the other side of the island, you gotta go to Coral Bay, 576 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.440 you gotta go to this, you gotta go to that. I was like 577 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.280 yeah, man, that sounds cool. You know, the adrenaline of the 578 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:28.639 moment, you know, talking almost like yeah, man, let's let's set 579 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.119 that up. Here's my business card, so now let's go right now. 580 00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:40.480 Yeah, fast forward, yeah, fast forward to, you know, the 581 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:46.639 next morning and it's like five fifteen in the morning and getting nonstop calls, 582 00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:51.599 like nonstop called, like he probably called me four or five times. And 583 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.840 I'm camping in the tent. There's probably like eight other camps, you know, 584 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.519 it's a few days before music festival. There's not a lot of people 585 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:04.519 there, and so the net I wake up to him outside my tent. 586 00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:08.119 I was in a dream and in the dream someone was, someone was trying 587 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:12.280 to wake me up, like by bumping my head, you know. So 588 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.320 I wake up and the next thing I hear is I hear this like reggae 589 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.280 music from really far then, but he was loud. It was like really 590 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:23.360 loud, like someone's Card door was open and it's pitch black outside. There's 591 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:28.559 nothing, like. I opened my eyes and it's still dark. You know. 592 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.880 I have flashlights around my tent, you know, and all I hear 593 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:39.639 is like Hey, is this Jerry, the drone pilot, and I'm first 594 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:44.800 I was like what, and then I was like it's that guy and I 595 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.320 don't know if I don't want to say his name. So we call them. 596 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:53.280 He is outside, outside of my tent, and he's like and it 597 00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:58.800 was like the most surreal thing, because he goes I go yeah, what's 598 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:00.559 up, man, this is me, and he I can see how he 599 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.000 can't see in. So he's kind of like, you know, looking and 600 00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:07.679 I'm like, Oh my God, what am I because I'm my adrenaline is 601 00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:14.239 gone. Now I'm what am I doing? You know, there's some guy 602 00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.480 outside my tent. You know, I'm in sleeping right now, you know. 603 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:21.639 So he goes, Jerry, are you going to sleep all day or 604 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.519 you going to have an adventure with me? And I just remember me in 605 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:30.480 like what is life right now, and it took me like I was like 606 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.920 this guy could kill me and take my two thousand dollar camera and like, 607 00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:45.519 you know, but same first at Park. Yeah, I don't have much 608 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.559 money. I can't really do a tour while I'm here. They don't pay 609 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.760 me to all care about so, yeah, I was like, I was 610 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.320 like it and probably it took me like seven seconds. I was like yeah, 611 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.159 man, let me, let me brush my teeth and let me get 612 00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.920 dressed. He was like okay, cool man, I'll go to the car. 613 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.920 He goes to his car, turns the music up louder. So Fun 614 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.480 it's forty five in the morning, there's other people camping, which is the 615 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:13.000 funniest thing, and the clients, actually the clients that are taking me to 616 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.000 Alabama and the Virgin Islands. They he went up to their tent first. 617 00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:21.239 He was going ten to ten. Wow, it was jerry, Jerry. 618 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.079 Yeah, I just thought that was so funny. But yeah, so I, 619 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.199 you know, to make this story a little bit more brief, you 620 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:31.320 know, I ended up going and I was like, okay, if anything 621 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:35.000 happens, let me go take a picture of his license plate. And then 622 00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.760 I said to to my coworker and I was like, if anything happened, 623 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:42.800 and then I do even I did. Yeah, you know, so I 624 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:47.480 shot from when we left to like when we got back I try to capture 625 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.519 as most. I had a go pro and then I had too other, 626 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.039 you know camera, so I would just try to shoot as much as I 627 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.000 can because if something was gonna Happen to me, I go throw that go 628 00:46:55.119 --> 00:47:01.480 Broa. I already had like it a like escape kind of plan, you 629 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:05.280 know. I had a bag with like Powel, but then I had my 630 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.880 camera bag, and my camera bag was like I'll jump out of the car, 631 00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:15.039 which, like I didn't get five in the beginning, but like later 632 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:20.760 on he kind of gave me these flags of just red flags. We went 633 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.239 to one place and the lady was like a local and her family owned a 634 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:29.320 lot of land, and she looked at me with concerns. She was like 635 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:37.360 she looked at me, are you okay? And I was like yeah, 636 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:43.920 yeah, concern and she was like don't let anything happen to him. You 637 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.599 know, you're not like your fault, she's telling him. She's like you're 638 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:50.559 not like your father, you know your you're a good guy, and I'm 639 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.280 like what in the world did I do? You know this is you know. 640 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.760 So that was the first red flag. The second red flag we win 641 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.760 and we went to a cemetery. You went to a cemetery like a am, 642 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:12.360 which is pool, you know, flag tripping a flag. You know. 643 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.159 He was showing me the island and where he grew up and stuff like 644 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:24.719 that. So that was a cemetery at ATF was not a red flag. 645 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.199 Listen, Terry Go, I don't want to go. A resumes red flags 646 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:43.320 shortly right after me to shovel with. First with the yellow flag. That 647 00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:49.360 was orange. Now. Yeah, well, the thing that made me feel 648 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.039 better the reas like a there was a was a fire department, like probably 649 00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:58.559 sixty yards from the cemetery. Cement, Terry. Yeah, I think it's 650 00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.920 the first. The first red flag was the lady being really concerned with my 651 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:07.000 wellbeing. And the second red flag because I have no Wifi out there, 652 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.840 like once I leave the where I was camping, no Wi fi. There's 653 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.440 no I'm cut off from all communication from the world. I can't tell anyone, 654 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:20.199 I can't no matter. Yeah, there's nothing. There's nothing. So 655 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:24.719 that's you feel very coming from, you know, always being able to call 656 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:30.599 one or call my brother or call my dad scrand. You're out there with 657 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:38.800 nothing, with no I had trail mix and I forgot water. I forgot 658 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:43.280 water. You know so, but he he was really great, like I 659 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:49.639 really appreciate that. I did make it out a live flats. That's a 660 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.000 really good chats though, right. Yeah, yeah, I got some great 661 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.840 stuff. I got some stuff I can't even really share because it was like 662 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.840 very personal. I want to like I don't want to do that person wrong 663 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.000 stuff. Well, we are leaving the cemetery and, you know, it's 664 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:07.320 causual conversations and stuff and some he he was kind of high strung at times. 665 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.559 Like at times he'd be like cut and I'd be like shooting something and 666 00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.599 he'd be like no, you can go, keep going if you see it, 667 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.159 but he would keep like he was like directing me, you know. 668 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:22.119 So he was a peculiar character, you know. And it's certain regards and 669 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:28.159 he would get like very like enthusiastic about talking about stuff, you know, 670 00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.960 which I appreciate. He was giving me the history. I was like everything, 671 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:37.599 I love that. You know, we're leaving the cemetery and real casual, 672 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:39.079 you know, we're walking back to the car and he's like yeah, 673 00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:45.440 my brother's missing and I'm like Oh, man, like okay, I asked. 674 00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.280 I go, Oh my God, is he okay? Is he did 675 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:55.039 he passed away like your mutle case he and nonchalantly he goes no, it 676 00:50:55.119 --> 00:51:00.400 was it was probably black magic. And we're we're at the end up his 677 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:06.480 car, walking to his car and we're at the trail end of his deep 678 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.599 he says it was probably black magic and we both have to go to the 679 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:15.119 our door. So I have that little three seconds of like what the Hell 680 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:20.280 am I doing? Right I go into the car and I'm like my brain 681 00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.840 is like okay, how can I ask this book still be cool, you 682 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:29.960 know, and I'm like okay, like in my head I just wanted to 683 00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:31.559 be like is there black magic? or I asked him as a kind of 684 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.880 is they're like there's like witchcraft and black magic here. He's like it's everywhere. 685 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:42.719 You know, the comedian in he was like I wanted to be like 686 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:50.280 is there black magic here? Like this, I try to play a cool 687 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.599 I'm like okay, like you know, that's interesting, and he go and 688 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.960 I go right after and I actually made like a little youtube thing. I 689 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.519 put this in the Youtube, but I didn't really put it with context. 690 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.719 But in it he goes yeah, it was that guy over there, and 691 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.320 I'm like this guy crazy, because there's no one there. Like I look 692 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:12.480 right. I looked my right and there's no one. No one. He 693 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:16.199 was like yeah, that guy over there. I look and I'm go HMM. 694 00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:22.239 I still remember that moment because I'm like what am I doing, like 695 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:24.920 what am I doing? You know what I mean? So then my this 696 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.800 doesn't I put like a little short, you know, fifteen minute, you 697 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.119 know, short documentary, anything on Youtube, of just like my trip. 698 00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.079 But right after that that's not in. It is. My next question was 699 00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.719 like, because we start driving away and we're driving away from where I'm camping. 700 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:43.960 So now we've been together like two hours. I don't know where I 701 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.079 am. Yeah, on the other side of the island, you know, 702 00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:51.840 Nover cell reception. My next question was like okay, well, where are 703 00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.679 we going now? You know, Yep, he takes me to the other 704 00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.679 side of the you know, the island was. It was awesome and so 705 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:02.559 beautiful. I'm skipping over a few things. The next thing is we're looking 706 00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:07.079 where I think coral baby. We're at the base of Coral Bay and he's 707 00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:09.960 just telling me some stuff, telling me some stuff. We're talking. I 708 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:15.239 have a camera rolling, thankfully, and he's like yeah, you do he 709 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:20.320 kind of got mad at me at one point because I called him Sir and 710 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.840 I called him stirred three times. On the third time he was like, 711 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:27.320 you're killing my energy. He was like, you're killing my energy. He 712 00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:34.159 just kept repeating that like and I was like, Oh, and for me, 713 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.719 like I call everyone sir or ma'am, like it's just like something that 714 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.679 I'm so used to, you know. But by the third time I meet 715 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.559 doing that, I could see. I was like, Oh, this guy's 716 00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.000 kind of like UN hitched, you know, or like it's very easy for 717 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:52.320 things to get added. You know, he was made up. Yeah, 718 00:53:52.360 --> 00:54:04.400 not to the secretary. That's so we're talking there. We're talking there and 719 00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:08.079 and this I didn't put in the in the short but we're talking there and 720 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:10.920 it's normal and, you know, we're talking about history. Life he's talking 721 00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:15.000 about is his family. You know, how he's the black sheep, how 722 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:20.559 they you know, he's like he's the king and their clowns and stuff, 723 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.639 and he's talking a lot of spirituality stuff, which I really like appreciated, 724 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:32.880 but then he's like I was in a sane asylum type of thing. Yeah, 725 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.320 it was just it was just kind of crazy. He just dropped that 726 00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:43.280 he was in insane asylum and that he was they did experiments on them and 727 00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.320 stuff, and it was just, yeah, that was like the craziest thing, 728 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:52.360 you know. But we then he took me to this most secluded thing 729 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.360 and I was like, well, this is it, this is where he's, 730 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:59.159 you know, because where he's gonna take people. And we almost got 731 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.039 stuck in the mud, which was I was like, Oh, this is 732 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:07.079 all part of the plan. Stuck in the mud trick, you know. 733 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:12.480 But yeah, it was. It was a good experience. At the end 734 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.679 we had to go look for his dog, which like he you know, 735 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:20.159 talking to him, he was like really in love with his dog. He, 736 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.880 you know, is like he at one point was like, you know, 737 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:27.920 you're holding the next five years of happiness for me or whatever. How 738 00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.079 many years? Not I just remember being like, Oh, okay, he's 739 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:36.920 not going to kill me, I don't think, you know. But yeah, 740 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.360 that he ended up taking me, you know, back to my campsite. 741 00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:43.800 It was it was a it was a beautiful experience. It was very 742 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:47.800 scary the whole time, but it was like it was a calculated risk where 743 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:52.800 it was a unique experience. I would not have ever had if I did 744 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:57.920 it, take that risk of going with a complete stranger, yeah, and 745 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.079 stuff. So I hope he's doing amazing. We don't, we don't necessarily 746 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:08.239 recommend that way of networking to everybody. have to agree to the person knocking 747 00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:13.960 on your ten FP five in the morning. So I think we're all the 748 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:20.400 story is calculator risks. Jerry didn't maybe miscalculated parts of that story, but, 749 00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:25.719 sir, now a networking adventure nonetheless. I just want to quickly bring 750 00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.760 up, by I mentioned this at the beginning of them and my intro of 751 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.639 Jerry, that I wanted to get into this part real quick. Tristan, 752 00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:37.079 you had mentioned you know, if you give a lot or give your last, 753 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:38.199 you know, thirty dollars, and you're going to get paid in a 754 00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:42.519 couple weeks at or in a couple days, that you know you're going to 755 00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:46.079 fight harder for your backs against the wall and Chalon. They had challenged us 756 00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:51.960 to have the planning element, you know, involved that you you know when 757 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.800 you set out on your trip, you kind of want to have that itinerary 758 00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:58.360 or that that direction, that map of where you're going to start going. 759 00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:02.440 But life happened in and you have to readjust so. The one story I 760 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:07.599 wanted to bring up was last year Jerry was supposed to go to it was 761 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:14.559 fun to correct in Tennessee. Yeah, it was fun or Tennessee. So 762 00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:19.039 Bonner is like a really big music festival. Is like par Cella. It's 763 00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.360 like one of those really big name one. How Bonner is different. They're 764 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:29.199 a little bit more kind of they think about how they impact the her so 765 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:34.880 it's a great festival. That being said, Tennessee was like being they had 766 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:39.159 gone through some storms and stuff like that. So there was like mudslides or 767 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:45.039 like and stuff like that. So they had to cancel Bonero like last minute. 768 00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:49.519 I can't like the last minute. They were still trying to do it, 769 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:51.840 I would you know, and they were. We were talking about because 770 00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:53.480 there was like crazy weather. They were like no, we're going to go 771 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:57.119 through with they're going to go through with it. We had I got there 772 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.519 on a Monday. Tuesday we had our production meeting on US Zum because it's 773 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:06.800 still raining out there, and then Tuesday afternoon, you know, I went 774 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:09.480 to go sightseeing because they I had a hotel for a week. For seven 775 00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:16.559 days, I took time off from work, Pto time so late Tuesday, 776 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:21.960 you know, they posted something on social media. was like Bonner was canceling 777 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:27.119 and we're so sorry, you know, and if you I traveled, I 778 00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:29.960 probably like fifteen outs. I don't even know, like twelve, thirteen hours 779 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:34.199 or whatever it is out there, you know. And I remember being with 780 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.039 the people on being like everyone's like man, Damn, you know whatever, 781 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.599 and all my co workers were like okay, well, we're leaving, you 782 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:45.360 know, all the staff. They were like really, by the next morning 783 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.800 they were all booking flights back. They were asking, you know, the 784 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:52.280 people that blew like we're we're booking your flights back. All of my co 785 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:58.320 workers, except for one guy, stay, everyone else like left. I 786 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.800 remember calling my dad and being like well, what do I do, like 787 00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:05.119 what should I do? Stuff, and he was like go back home, 788 00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:07.920 go learn. God, what are you? Why are you? What are 789 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:09.559 you even thinking about? And I was like, well, I'm here, 790 00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:14.000 I have a hotel room for a week that they paid for. Like my 791 00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:17.679 bosses are flying out to day, you know, and then I kind of 792 00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:22.840 heard about other music festivals that were kind of like trying to be planned because 793 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.599 bottom room canceled. So I was like, I want to see if I 794 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:30.559 can get on one of those three music festivals just to go take pictures and 795 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:35.039 see what I could do, you know. So I was lucky enough to 796 00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:37.719 like meet some people. You know, they were trying to get in contact 797 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.920 with two of the music festivals. I've met a girl and her boyfriend, 798 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:44.440 Maddie. I don't know if you've ever seen this, but thank you. 799 00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:51.159 So her and her boyfriend were working on one of the music festivals and these 800 00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:55.559 people planned it and like two and a half days and logistically planning an event 801 00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:00.400 in two and a half days is crazy. They it's in crazy just to 802 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:05.719 get the good thing is they had the venue and, you know, they 803 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.719 had the music venue or the outdoor music venue, which was in Woodburry, 804 01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:16.159 Tennessee short bountain distillery. It's like such as three hundred Acre like major park, 805 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:21.039 but they also have like a restaurant and they're trying to they're now building 806 01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:24.400 a nonprofit around it, which is awesome, just to like preserve the lands 807 01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:28.320 and stuff like that. So but yeah, Marster Short, I was able 808 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.599 to jump on this music festival. I talk to the guy that was or 809 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.760 not even the guy that was throwing it. I talked to like someone that 810 01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:36.679 was planning it, and he was like, well, we really don't have 811 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:42.039 a budget, which is something that El here a lot if you ever start 812 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:49.000 a business doing photos and videos, like people forgetting like how necessary media is 813 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.880 in this day and age. So my whole thing was like I'm gonna over 814 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:54.960 deliver, like you're not paying me. You know, they were feeding me. 815 01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:58.320 They gave me a campsite, which was awesome. You know, they 816 01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:00.800 gave him some freak tickets for a few friends that we're going to Bombaral, 817 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:04.880 like a boundaries cast. We can come hang out over here with me, 818 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:08.719 I'll work, you can have so they hook me up with like certain things, 819 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:14.440 you know, like that way, I basically was running their social media. 820 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.679 I was like the first day I got there, the Wednesday, Wednesday 821 01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:22.519 night when I got there, I was already flying my drone and doing aerial 822 01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:24.639 shots and like, you know, stuff like that. So I gave I 823 01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:29.679 already was are dropping that to myself, editing it in my car and then 824 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.920 sending it to them. So every day I was giving them constant by the 825 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:42.559 Saturday or Sunday, my boss like the which he's a great boss. I'm 826 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.920 still working with him now. which is crazy because if I didn't ever take 827 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:50.199 that risk, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now. So, I 828 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.119 mean he came up to me, it's like, Dude, you're doing great 829 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:54.920 and handed me I think was like five hundred. Then you kind of me 830 01:01:54.960 --> 01:02:00.000 five hundred books and he was like you're doing so much, here's five hundred. 831 01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:01.960 I cannot not pay you, and he's like, I don't do you 832 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.320 more like to had and I was like Whoa, like what I gonna turn, 833 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:12.039 you know, nothing into like five hundred bucks with like I would have 834 01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.360 been doing, like I was going to be doing this anyway. Like you 835 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:20.079 know what I mean. And I think me over delivering and trying to handle 836 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.639 it as a professional, you know, because I come from like advents and 837 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:28.719 stuff, I think people especially very easy to get lost in like the chaos 838 01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:34.000 of the fun of it. But you know, I do like that environment. 839 01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:37.559 I think that there's just like so many possibilities with that. And now 840 01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:43.199 I from that music festival. Now they're doing it every year. So we're 841 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:46.599 planning it now. I'm doing like the social media and helping the media department 842 01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:51.519 and Actually I'll be doing photos and videos again in September and would bury. 843 01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:57.039 So from that little you know, you know of me, like Not Take 844 01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.760 I love my dad, but I try to take it at ice, you 845 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:02.239 know, when I need it. You know I mean, because I think 846 01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:08.559 that he might not understand see colpulated risks or the risks R that you have 847 01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:13.519 to take, because I think he under like with my company, I moved 848 01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:16.639 up a little bit of my company, you know, a my my fulltime 849 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:20.800 job and stuff like that. I think he seeses I can gel that should 850 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.360 be the thing you're focusing on right and me I'm like that. I can't 851 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:28.159 see myself working for someone else in ten or fifteen years, like that's not 852 01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.880 where I want to be. The good thing is with my company I've been 853 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:37.159 in really big productions, Disney weddings, Disney stuff, ESPN. You know, 854 01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:43.039 I've been. I've done a lot and I've worked in a in a 855 01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:46.960 class of like people where I don't get flustered with like big productions anymore, 856 01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:52.679 which helps me stay sane on the other you know, be on stuff like 857 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:57.079 that. So without me taking that risk, or if I listen to my 858 01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:00.320 you know, my dad and my dad's Awso my listen to him on most 859 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:05.519 of the time, but if probably, you know, forty, forty percent. 860 01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:13.719 But without that I would not be like from that I landed two other 861 01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.800 gigs, not to mention the GIG that I'll on right now. I'm running 862 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.880 their social media stuff up until when I go and do their photo and video 863 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:26.400 of our events. So like, not only am I doing their event again, 864 01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:33.400 but now I'm getting like now I'm getting cappity almost, because now I'll 865 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:38.000 have like an extra, you know, all the way up until that music 866 01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:42.519 festival, you know. So it's like it's very weird, you know, 867 01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.800 and I didn't expect any of that, you know, which is even such 868 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:50.840 a better, you know, feeling and stuff like that. Because, yeah, 869 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:58.440 you can, you added added the value. Yeah, run it. 870 01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:01.480 That whole concept of like having that value. Gary Vane, or Chuck, 871 01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.440 entrepreneur that I follow a lot. He has a book, I believe it's 872 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:10.079 called Jab Jab Jab, right hook, my only book. That's the only 873 01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:16.199 book I have of I never finished it, but essentially it's like, even 874 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:19.280 on social media and stuff, he basically recommends, you know, you have 875 01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:25.880 to give multiple pieces of value before you ask for anything in return anything. 876 01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:30.119 So it's Jab Jab Jab. Those are the like free pieces of contents of 877 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.920 you know, all I need is like your email address and I'll give you 878 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:36.559 this whole ebook for free year, what have you. Or just giving the 879 01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:41.000 you know, the photos away, like Jerry's doing. And then after you've 880 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:45.159 done that a few times, that either naturally brings people to want to give 881 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:49.480 you an opportunity for something because they've already received that value from you, or 882 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.239 that's an opportunity where, if you know that twenty Roule, where if you've 883 01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:59.840 given eighty percent, then when you finally do send them right hook of a 884 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.239 hey, you know, I don't do this off for free. If you'd 885 01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:06.800 like to help, contribute or hire me for a Gig, you know I'm 886 01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:11.760 doing this, these kind of things, and people who've already built that trust 887 01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:16.199 with you because they've received that value are much more likely to to respond. 888 01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.239 And me, yeah, of course, I've received so much for me, 889 01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:23.079 so why wouldn't, I know, contribute a couple bucks here and there? 890 01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:30.039 Yeah, I think we were talking about that on a previous episode in this 891 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:33.480 series here. Of just yeah, if there's a sales call, you're gonna 892 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:38.840 kind of shut it down right away. If people are just asking for their 893 01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:42.239 head landing the right hook right away. You kind of should build up to 894 01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.360 do but I don't want to Jerry. A many stories are are awesome. 895 01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:49.440 Obviously I've heard a lot of for this podcast. Jerry called me after, 896 01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:55.039 after he got back from that trip, and saying, John Use, like 897 01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.079 look, you got a comic back. Later I was like, I feel 898 01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:08.639 like it was a device today, yeah, but but I really I remember 899 01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:12.719 calling. Yeah, I remember calling you, having that conversation and it was 900 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:15.199 another time we've had that conversation. I want to go film it the border 901 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:18.760 and Yep, you have Mexico. Yeah, yeah, I was filming out 902 01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:24.000 there and like doing some interviews of like people from Honduras and Yep, like 903 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:29.639 watching like a cartel members like take them from Mexico into the US or I 904 01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:33.960 would just a story in itself and just crazy to see like someone's like first 905 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:40.559 steps into like America, especially like for May being born there's and I'm Mexican, 906 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:45.840 American, so you know, I truly believe that our immigration policy is 907 01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:50.400 just skewed and terrible and they have as much right. I feel it's high 908 01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:57.360 too on this land. So I remember having that conversation and being like Chris. 909 01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.679 I was like, dude, like ohne right, I said, you 910 01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.880 don't understand what I'm like, what I'm seeing right now, and it was 911 01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:06.280 the same thing when that Virgin Island stop. I was like, Oh my 912 01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:12.920 God, what am I dude? But yeah, yeah, it's it's it's 913 01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:15.680 showing up, it's putting yourself out there and doing it for the right reasons 914 01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:19.079 and authentically, and I think that kind of is a great, you know, 915 01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:25.439 just summation for this series here of networking. It's, you know, 916 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:29.000 you have to do it as an entrepreneur. You know, some people are 917 01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.680 more reserved, as we talked about. Other people are are the players. 918 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:35.000 You know, I think Jerry's the one who who's willing to show up at 919 01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:42.039 any event and just talk to anybody and obviously he receives these returns on it, 920 01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:45.520 but not ever expecting those returns. And so, you know, just 921 01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:47.840 to be mindful of our time here, we will wrap this up, but, 922 01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:50.119 Jerry, I think we could, you know, obviously have you back 923 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:56.000 at another time. This is very right. So so thank you to our 924 01:08:56.439 --> 01:09:00.239 our trippers who for joining us on this trip. I know we went down 925 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:08.359 some crazy rabbit holes and Jerry's adventures. Jerry, we want to thank you 926 01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:11.920 for, you know, joining us here, you know, for our guests 927 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.079 to check out our seam media services and playing with death squad. Jerry is 928 01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:18.479 on instagram and everything. You know, if you enjoyed his story, you're 929 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:23.439 welcome to obviously connect with him and, as always, welcome to connect with 930 01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:27.800 us. You know, Salan, distrust and I the EXTC crew. So 931 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:31.439 I think this is it. This is covering up our our last series of 932 01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:38.279 season one. We're going to have one one recap episode of the whole season 933 01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:43.399 before we take a little hiatus to go before go into season two. But 934 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:45.159 we just want to thank you all for work. We're starting to come down 935 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:50.920 our trip now and it just we thank you all for, you know, 936 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.520 taking taking this journey with us. Again, thank you, Jerry, for 937 01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:59.439 sharing these awesome stories with us and you know just all the different ways you 938 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:02.399 can be a networker, but you just have to put yourself out there and 939 01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:06.680 and put yourself out there for the right reasons and authentically. So I think 940 01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:12.319 that's it. So we'll see you next week. Criminal well, I'm really 941 01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.640 put as quick. Okay, okay, okay, want of lecom to be 942 01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:18.000 a part of our networks a hit. Like subscribe and just be a part 943 01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:20.439 of the network. Right, guys. So Chris put a bull on. 944 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:29.760 I think I shawn. Any final words? Well, no, I'm just 945 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.800 tripping over Jerry's trips and so I'm looking forward to put he comes down to 946 01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:39.279 the US Virgin Islands and we could probably do a follow up there we go 947 01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:43.439 here. That'll be cool. Yeah, and if there any other trippers that 948 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.239 want to join us, you know, jump on this entrepreneurship trip. We're 949 01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:51.359 all for it. We'll see you for the last episode of season one next 950 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:57.760 Tuesday. So, without further ADO, I'll I'll close us out here and 951 01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:01.039 we'll see you next week. By guys. Thank you, thank you, 952 01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:06.279 thanks right. Thank you for taking this trip with us. We hope you 953 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:12.279 had a great time. Join US every Tuesday for another dose of next TNS 954 01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.920 and don't forget to like, share and subscribe. Be Sure to follow us 955 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:25.520 on Facebook, instagram and visit us at the entrepreneurs tripcom for more entrepreneurship trips 956 01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:27.680 and fix see you next time.