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Sept. 13, 2022

To Delegate or NOT To Delegate

To Delegate or NOT To Delegate

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“FIGHT!” …

Round 2 of the #Collaboration VS. #Delegation debate between the X (Xaulanda) and the T (Tristian) of our crew gets underway in this episode of The Entrepreneur’s Trip, as the C (Chris) attempts to referee this championship bout.

Tune in to this MUST WATCH matchup, as we share real-life stories, analogies, and anecdotes to help sort out the similarities and differences between what it means to collaborate, and what it means to delegate.

Who will you side with? And when is the right time to delegate, if at all?

Tune in to this Main Event to find out!

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:06.639 This round. So more time on the clock with both more time are you? 2 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:12.480 Are you delegating this to me, or are we collaborating right? What 3 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:18.760 do you to his might cut his mind. Welcome to the entrepreneurs trip podcasting 4 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:31.239 ext I'm Shalanda, I'm Chris. It's an entrepreneur starting or ruin your business. 5 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:35.479 You may have a destination, but the journey getting there and be a 6 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:40.359 drink. We want to be your travel companions and induce a doose of FIXDC 7 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:47.079 as we explore real life conversations about navigating the world entrepreneurship in the US and 8 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:55.159 the Caribbean. Take this trip with us. Welcome back, trippers, to 9 00:00:55.240 --> 00:01:02.799 another episode of the entrepreneurs trip with my co host the x Cilanda, the 10 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:07.719 Tristan and to see Chris, and we're excited to have you back here. 11 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:12.400 Last week we talked about whether or not to collaborate and today we're talking about 12 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:18.439 whether or not to delegate, and I know those terms can be sometimes confusing, 13 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:21.560 sometimes not, depending on where you're coming from. I think Tristan and 14 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:26.120 Silanda had some offline battles here going in. So I'm excited to referee this 15 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:32.519 episode and uh, I appreciate referring this episode, but first let's getting to 16 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:42.680 uh, seeing what we're drinking while we are on this trip today. Okay, 17 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:49.560 so what do you all have in your glasses? I'm not sure if 18 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:53.159 I really want to share. You know, it's strong I don't want to 19 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.560 be like a Russian Pun but Russia's definitely strong arming a lot of places right 20 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:00.359 now, so I just don't want to do it. What it is? 21 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:07.159 Vodka, but that was well, I'm gonna do it too firm. I 22 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.840 still have my carbonated drink, but if you heard our last episode, we 23 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:23.479 talked about enjoying ten percent of the watermelon. Here's my water like crops. 24 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:30.240 I've got a little whiskey here, which Um more of a rum and watermelon 25 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:34.360 person. Like to have some watermelon with some Rummin right now. I don't 26 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:39.840 love that. Some watermelon right now. Pretty selfish over, but in the 27 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:43.719 same place you would have been able to partake, but we're not in the 28 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:50.639 same place, so you'll just have to live vicariously through me. Another watermelon 29 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:57.039 after this episode, I plan to enjoy watermelon rum with whatever is left up 30 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:04.560 my carbonated drink. Here to me, really good people out of this welcome 31 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:08.479 guys, to the new episode of TC. Chris, you know, we're 32 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:13.159 out here and we're gonna talk about how we were just sipping while we were 33 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:19.599 tripping and we apply to Alta for taking that trip without us, you know. 34 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:23.120 And now we're going to move on to unpacking. Is that what it 35 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:28.400 is we do, Chris? TC seems to have its own show. You 36 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:36.639 know. What do our guests feel about watermelons? Alright, let's unpack this 37 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:47.439 episode. So this episode we're talking about to delegate or not to delegate, 38 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:52.840 and there was quite a robust debate between myself and the tea and since you're 39 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:57.080 trying to keep me out, you and t continue the conversation, I'm just 40 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:05.199 I do that in my way out. Um, how similar or different it 41 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:11.879 was from to collaborate or not to collaborate? Right. So when we talk 42 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.319 about delegating, we're talking about and trusting a task or responsibility to another person, 43 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:21.000 or is it to another company? Kind of like what we're talking about 44 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:29.199 with collaborate. Right. However, my position is this. If you're delegating 45 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.920 a task to somebody, a lot of the Times I'm working with clients who 46 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:40.560 are trying to grow their capacity and so they hold onto things even though they 47 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:46.040 know they should be delegating. You need to have trusted person that, once 48 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:50.279 you delegate and you're clear on what your expectations and what the output is, 49 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:55.920 you're able to release it, let them take care of it and then have 50 00:04:56.040 --> 00:05:00.120 them report back. That's, I think, a little bit different than the 51 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:05.040 collaboration with another company, even though they are very similar. So I know 52 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:11.600 you want to jump in there, Tristan. I do want from that perspective, 53 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:14.920 guys. I just want you guys to definitely take my side. And 54 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.959 when we're talking about delegating, I was saying that you could delegate these tasks 55 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:26.839 to other companies and what Chilana is still calling collaborating. You know so for 56 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:31.360 me, I worked in production. So what ends up happening is that we're 57 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:40.680 a bunch of smaller collaborators that work together on a larger assignment, which still 58 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:46.480 makes it collaborating. However, you delegate the task of producing. It did 59 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:56.519 you just created? It's something you just put into I'm just saying my definition. 60 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:00.360 You're pretty close, but I'm just saying when you bring in your collaborator, 61 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:08.199 you bring them in and delegate them an assignment to do um so what 62 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.720 it is that we'll be so Chris is our perfect example because he's not going 63 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:17.959 to take any side, right. So we're collaborating with Chris on this production. 64 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:31.720 However, he's delegated to technical direct the show. Again, I'm refereeing 65 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:38.839 this. I have my two cents and a few I think. You know, 66 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.839 you can look at it from that perspective. Right the when we're looking 67 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.560 at small businesses, we have to look make a distinction between small businesses that 68 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:55.160 collaborate with other small businesses or independent contractors, versus small business that might be 69 00:06:55.319 --> 00:07:09.040 delegating tasks to their employees, which is a different vacation than a subcontractor or 70 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:14.600 an independent contractor. So I'm sure we're gonna need to bring in our age 71 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.959 are as expert on our future podcast. But the reason why I'm making that 72 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:25.839 distinction is that a small business owner, sometimes we bring in independent contractors to 73 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:31.800 delegate task two, which we can, but you can't treat them like employees, 74 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:41.000 right, because they are distinct entities or individuals that are functioning in a 75 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:53.639 particular roles. I'm bringing are they collaborating with us or is it a delegated 76 00:07:53.680 --> 00:08:00.160 assignment that they're working on they will be collaborating with us because we're bringing in 77 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:07.040 the company, not necessarily the individual, and we have not engaged in an 78 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:16.959 employment contract with that individual. We're engaging in a conversation with a collaborative company. 79 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.519 I'm probably gonna approve, I'm probably gonna prove somebody's point in this, 80 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:26.240 and I'm not sure who's yet. And again, this is just my my 81 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:35.720 two cents. So if I listening to the two distinct viewpoints of what is 82 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.559 collaboration what is delegation, if I were to break it down in my mind, 83 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:46.519 I would say that collaboration is done to help accomplish a project, an 84 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:52.000 external um task and external thing that you have or a measurable milestone that you 85 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.039 have to accomplish. So you might need more people to help with that, 86 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.600 who are all acting as their own and he is coming together to help fulfill, 87 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.799 you know, fill the gaps Um in order to create a streamlined approach 88 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:13.039 to fulfilling a project successfully. Delegating, and it's just my my way of 89 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:20.240 viewing it, is how each of those players coming to the table to collaborate 90 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:26.559 um would make themselves or their companies the most efficient. So how good of 91 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.039 a collaborator, are you based on your ability to delegate tasks within your organization, 92 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.720 to free your time and come to the table, Um, as a 93 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.960 you know, collaborator who can bring you know, as we said in the 94 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:41.799 last episode, Bring Wood to the fire to build a stronger fire. So, 95 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.879 Um, if you want to carry a whole bundle of wood, you 96 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.360 have to maximize your time, your efficiency. So I need to delegate tasks 97 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.159 as an entrepreneur or as a company to my employees, uh, in order 98 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:58.240 to make the company, Um and myself the best collaborator, coming to the 99 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:07.679 table to offers a task before you see anything else. No, no, 100 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:09.919 no, let me just add this. Let me just add this. Let 101 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:16.440 me just add this. Okay, by definition, the verb of delegate is 102 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:22.960 to entrust a task or responsibility to another person, typically one who is less 103 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:31.799 senior than oneself. In a collaboration. When it's companies were usually coming in 104 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:43.879 on equal footing. We're just on the point of the project. That is 105 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:50.240 our area of expertise. So, for example, let's make this podcast using 106 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:56.559 your example of Chris. You do you, you do use expertise is in 107 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.919 podcast production. So, since that's just ex Bertise, he takes the lead 108 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:05.919 on that. We don't. We make delegate, but he takes the lead 109 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:16.639 on that note. He's not a lesser. He's not lesser than transision productions 110 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:22.799 or the Shaskai group. We're all uneven footing and this is one of the 111 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:33.360 this is one of the those exceptions to a rule. Oh, now you 112 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:39.600 SIP it. This is one of those small exceptions to a rule where I 113 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:48.200 would agree that the companies have equal footing in the door, more or less. 114 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:54.679 When I grew were saying a lot of the Times it's sixty forty, 115 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.759 seventy thirty, I don't want to say eighty twenty. So the footing is 116 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:11.960 not technically equal, it's you know, it's it works collaboratively efficiently to efficiently 117 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:20.200 operate the area of expertise. The only way that I would semi even begin 118 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:28.200 to agree with your concept of delegation is is if we were in a prime 119 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:39.279 contractor arrangement where a prime when after a government contract and they have delegated certain 120 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:48.679 responsibilities of that contract clearly outlined as a subcontractor. But most small businesses, 121 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.559 most small businesses, when we bring in other businesses to work with us, 122 00:12:52.720 --> 00:13:01.720 we are collaborating. Usually we delegate that. I got forty seconds. Let's 123 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.320 do this real quick. In a previous episode, Chris said he went to 124 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:13.879 collaborate with someone and then was delegated to shoot that segment. How did that? 125 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.039 He chose. He he had the right to read rose, he had 126 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:24.080 the right to refuse that delegation. He just chose not to because that was 127 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:31.279 not within the scope of his work, even though he was collaborating with that 128 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:39.360 person. Even though he was collaborating, it was delegated that at this point 129 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.600 in time, will take a detour. We're taking a detour. I'm delegating 130 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.440 the detour. Let let's let's let's let's jump and risen. I'll give you 131 00:13:48.440 --> 00:14:03.799 your time and welcome to the detour where everything is delegated to the other companies 132 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:11.960 and it within this delegated detour. Like I was saying, poor Chris was 133 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.200 brought into the situation in which he thought he was collaborating. I was hit 134 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:24.879 with a detour and was delegated with shooting whatever this assignment was, while the 135 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:33.159 primary, the primary in the collaboration, got to put their camera down. 136 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:41.360 Yeah, okay, you know what a woman says. You're done. You 137 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:48.600 know it's done. Right. Example, Chris, as the collaborator who did 138 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.039 not have that in his scope of work, had the right to refuse. 139 00:14:52.320 --> 00:15:01.519 However, if someone who's an entrepreneur and owner has employee that they are delegating 140 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.679 tasks two more times, that not that employee needs to execute it, particularly 141 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:13.200 if it's within their job scope and responsibilities. Mm Hmm, I'm doing what 142 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:18.159 you want that point. I'm just saying that's collaborators. We bring people in 143 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:24.799 and delegate attached to that collaborator. I see it differently. I see it 144 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:31.879 as well people to take the lead on their area of expertise within the project. 145 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:39.039 That is different than delegating. Watch this, Chris. Were you brought 146 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:45.480 in the shoot? I was brought in to shoot. Chris, did you 147 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:54.159 shoot? I shot. Yes, you brought in to lead the shoot. 148 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.279 I was not brought in to lead the shoot. To to to to my 149 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:04.559 knowledge, you're not. But, Chris, should you choose to say I 150 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:07.679 am not going to take the lead on the shoot? You had that right. 151 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.159 I did have that right. Perfect. So, Chris, at this 152 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:18.600 point in time. So, Chris, at this point in time. If 153 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.679 you said no, that you're not going to shoot, then did that? 154 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:29.159 Did that not why you were there. Don't, don't try to confuse our 155 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:33.120 listening audience, because they're smarter than that. He was brought in to shoot. 156 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:40.559 His scope of service was to shoot. He shot. His scope of 157 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:48.559 service did not include in that collaboration to lead the shoot. So therefore he 158 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:53.480 had all the person. I am not going to leave the shoot because it's 159 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:59.720 not part of my scope of work. You cannot delegate that to me. 160 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:08.599 M Hmm, Chris, say something in a puppy. Second, I have 161 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.000 a couple of thoughts. So so, in this particular instance of the Um 162 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:15.960 the film shoot, part of why I did not refuse. So this has 163 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.559 nothing to do with the delegation or collaboration, but I, Um, I 164 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:26.519 actually I knew the artists, who who was the client and therefore I wanted, 165 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.240 Um, the clients still to get a great product, even though, 166 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.759 Um, so I was going to deal with that separately, and I did 167 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.000 deal with that separately with the person who brought me on the shoot. Uh. 168 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.200 So, that being said, Um, I think we're yeah, kind 169 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.359 of where the difference is, and what I'm gathering from from the two of 170 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:51.799 you is if somebody is, Um, truly leading the project. So I'll 171 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:55.319 break this down here. WHO's in the meeting with the client? If it's 172 00:17:55.359 --> 00:18:00.519 a collaboration, then the collaborators, at least to some agree, are in 173 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:06.039 those meetings or in some of the meetings that pertained to the overall achieving of 174 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.599 the of of you know, the goal at hand. If it is, 175 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:15.480 uh, just a delegation, then one person is in the meeting and then 176 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:21.279 comes back with that information and says, okay, here are what I want 177 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.480 you to do, you to do and you to do in order to for 178 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.799 us to all accomplish together. But I'm going to lead the charge here. 179 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:48.079 My Souvenir is based on a very smoot that has won that debate. No, 180 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:56.799 and I'm so real quick, and go first, and go first. 181 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:04.960 I'M gonna delegate myself to go, since I delegate so on our takeaways from 182 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:11.000 this souvenirs on this trip. Is What I have realized is that what needs 183 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.559 to be clear is our scope for work, and that goes for, let's 184 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.880 say, in the past three episodes when we're talking about that communication Um and 185 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:22.640 definitely understanding the scope so that way we know if we need to have change 186 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.799 orders and a couple of different things. If you guys missed the episode. 187 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.119 Just backtrack a little bit. Go ahead, my mom. Yeah, and 188 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.359 understanding your role, you know, and I think that's that's where some of 189 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.480 the challenges as entrepreneurs, when we're working with clients, we get these speed 190 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:44.400 bumps or these hiccups because where we're coming from a point of reference that okay, 191 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:47.680 I might be collaborating on this project, but the client might be coming 192 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:52.559 from the perspective that you're being delegated certain tasks. I remember most recently I 193 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:59.200 had to it was more than one Um consultant on the project and because it 194 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:03.839 was not a clear scope of work from the client, I submitted my proposal 195 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.640 with certain things, but as we started doing the work, I got the 196 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.519 impression that the other consultant felt like it was their responsibility to do some of 197 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.640 the things that the client asked me to do. And so, since the 198 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:22.599 client couldn't clearly articulate, for the best interest of being efficient, to maximizing 199 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.759 resources on behalf of the client, I sat down with the consultant and I 200 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:33.079 said, listen, we are all together going down this same highway. We 201 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:37.480 are all on four oh five or a ninety five or whatever highway, but 202 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.440 there are multiple lanes in this project. I need to talk to you. 203 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:48.920 So I'm staying in my lane and that you don't collide, right, because 204 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:53.720 we want to keep this project going forward, and that's the difference between collaborating, 205 00:20:55.039 --> 00:21:00.519 even though the client wasn't clear on their delegating. Yeah, I wanted 206 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:02.880 this. Agree with you on that. I wanted this. Agree with you 207 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:07.279 want so I think it's a very good point. Um, I'll give you 208 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.400 that one notch, but as far as the argument goes, are definitely one 209 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:17.519 argument. No, I don't know what you're sitting while you're tripping, but 210 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:23.319 you're starting to really trip. I'm not doing this, Chris. What you 211 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:29.720 gotta say? Break it, Chris. Chris, you the Rep let's call 212 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.079 it, Chris. I mean, I guess it's another way similar to the 213 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:40.240 meeting thing. Um, staying your lane. You know, I'm tripping to 214 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.839 I didn't didn't have a lot. I didn't have a good breakfast this morning, 215 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:51.039 so it's hitting hitting harder, you know. Um. But again, 216 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:55.880 staying in the lane is equivalent to driving together, where we're driving our separate 217 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:59.759 vehicles, Um, to get from point a to point B. Um, 218 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:04.359 apping said, if you're driving a bus. Then everybody on the bus is 219 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:11.799 getting delegated the task versus the collaboration of driving together in the lanes. I 220 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:17.000 got deep real quick. You could have said that would have had this argument 221 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:22.039 for like thirty minutes. Oh, so now you're accepting the fact that you 222 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.720 know the words are very similar, but there are distinct differences between collaborating and 223 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:37.359 delegating. That's true, yes, and that's why I love this podcast, 224 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:42.079 because we all have different perspectives and we can debate and have fun, but 225 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:45.000 we learned at the end of the day, and what you've learned as a 226 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:59.480 souvenir test in Ishlanda was right. That's taken the view. All Right, 227 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:06.799 Chris, the new change these windows. So the quote I had planned, 228 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.960 I'm gonna read both of them, because there's one that I had planned ano 229 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.200 there's one that totally just makes hill on to this point when unfortune releasters. 230 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.319 So the first one I was gonna do was Um by businesswoman Jessica Jack Lee. 231 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:23.759 She said deciding what to do is as important as deciding what not to 232 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:26.960 do, and I actually flipped that. Deciding what not to do is as 233 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.160 important as deciding what to do. I want to quote it correctly, Um, 234 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:34.400 and that is the challenge of delegating, because we all want to do 235 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:37.920 it ourselves. But obviously, Um, as we mentioned, you know, 236 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.960 would rather have ten percent of a watermelon than of a grape. Is that 237 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:47.160 you're getting more Um if you are collaborating, Um, and you're being becoming 238 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:52.759 more efficient by delegating. So the second quote is uh Sandra Day O'Connor, 239 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:56.799 and this is Um about horse riding. So the really expert riders of Horses 240 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:02.200 let the Horse know immediately who was in Troll, but then guide the horse 241 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:07.200 with loose reins and seldom used the Spurs. And the reason I bring that 242 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:14.680 is that essentially the expert rider again, the horses h theoretically, and Um, 243 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:18.000 I'm not getting at any animal activism he or anything like that, but 244 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:22.519 theoretically is subservient to the rider, Um, in a race, and therefore 245 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.640 the rider guides the decision with the clear roles and expectations of this is what 246 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.079 I need you to do. Here's where we're going, that's the finish line, 247 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.160 and then once the horse knows what to do, then the rider can 248 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:38.319 kind of Um back off a little bit and these the reins and not use 249 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:44.480 his spurs to punish Um and, you know, rather encourage. So that's 250 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:49.240 my little tidbits for delegation here. This was a great conversation, I think 251 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:53.319 Um, you know, and in terms of actually defining what in collaboration and 252 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:57.119 delegation are, and our topic of of the podcast, though, is whether 253 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:02.640 or not to delegate, Um and and when to do that. So real 254 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.279 quick, when do you delegate and when do you not delegate? Now that 255 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:11.880 we have somewhat of a cohesive understanding of what delegation is, I think that's 256 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:17.039 the biggest challenge for a lot of entrepreneurs, is because the businesses their baby 257 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:18.960 and they pretty much know how to do everything within their business. So what 258 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:22.480 is it that you delegate? I think the things that you delegate are the 259 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:27.400 things that can be done by other people and the things you do not delegate 260 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:33.240 are the things that only you can do. But through that delegation you increase 261 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:36.559 your capacity to be able to grow your business, to stay in your business, 262 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.319 take on more clients, you know. So delegate the things that you're 263 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:45.599 able to delegate, the things that require your hands on. Then you hold 264 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.880 onto that. But then you have to have a plan to train people right, 265 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:56.039 because the barrier there's more things you're gonna that you're currently doing, that 266 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.680 you're eventually gonna need to delegate, and that's where a lot of small businesses 267 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:04.279 bring and consultants right, because there typically high level, educated expertise, people 268 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:10.480 who can really take the reins and run with it. Absolutely right, and 269 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:12.279 I know we had a lot of fun with it on with our little dispute. 270 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:18.240 However, looking at it, I still view them as very similar things. 271 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.400 But like Um so I'm just saying is that the collaboration is more working 272 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.920 with someone. So I want to sertain that game goal. The delegation is 273 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.480 one of it is that we're asking someone to do something. So, although 274 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.839 we might bringing collaborators to deal with certain things, that doesn't they honestly, 275 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.480 they're delegated that assignment. We've given them that assignment, but how would they 276 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:42.319 choose to delegate that assignment? It's completely up to them. So what I 277 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:47.039 want us to keep in mind that what's important is our end goals. A 278 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:51.240 lot of us need to be just more goal oriented in the sense and not 279 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:56.960 having the needs of micromanageese projects, because between collaborating and delegating, what our 280 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:03.279 end goals should be to me is the efficiency Um of completing the project, 281 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:08.200 and that's as weird is that? No love it. Let's do an informal 282 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.160 wrap up here. So thank you, trippers, for Um joining us today 283 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:18.599 on this wonderful debate here on to delegate or not to delegate, and also 284 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.519 how that compares to collaboration. Any final words from the X and the t? 285 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.119 Yes, but like, if you like what I said, we would 286 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.160 comment. If you disagree with Silana, and I'll be perfectly fine at this 287 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.279 moment, where he was completely close about the show, there's no time. 288 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:41.400 I've known Chris. It's not just stipping his whisky away round two, this 289 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:48.480 round too, but more time on the clock, with more time are you? 290 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:53.799 Are you delegating this to me or are we collaborating? We need to 291 00:27:55.119 --> 00:28:02.200 his min cut his life. To wrap up the PODCAST. Any final thought, 292 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:07.079 slanda. No, this has been great, really invigorating conversation. I've 293 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:12.559 enjoyed it. So looking forward to more debates on we're cemented absolutely well. 294 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:17.880 Thank you again, trippers. Hope you learn something today. Um, hope 295 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:22.400 you, uh, you know, found where your alignments are with Tristan and 296 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.319 Shelanda. Here we know, uh, it can be contentious at times, 297 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:32.200 but we love it. And if you're if you're referring with me, I 298 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.680 hope you enjoyed your popcorn. Um, I enjoyed the show as well and 299 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:42.720 we will see you next week. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for 300 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.640 taking this trip with us. We hope you had a great time. 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